Targeting Sliver Armor - Guild Wars Forums

Destro Maniak · Oct 06, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

As you can guess from the topic how can I make the sliver armor target the boss

Because on some bosses its nearly impossible to target the boss

so pls help

ty

Tom Swift · Oct 06, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

No way to do it, I'm afraid. Sliver armor is pretty much random. It's not completely random as it will usually target one kind of enemy before another. In ToPK, for instance, it will always take out the scythes in a mixed group before targeting the grasps. (On the other hand in a group of grasps and worms it's an even bet which will be hit first) But other than knowing which kind of enemy it will more likely hit first, there is no way to predict which specific foe it will target.

Edit: hp can't be the key since the broodmother would always be hit before the nestlings and anyone who does raptor runs knows she only gets hit first about 1/2 the time. I doubt wanding does it either as I always attack the broodmother with my wand or staff on raptor runs and she is still the target of sliver only about half the time. Closeness doesn't seem to be the key either since in groups of dryders and dreamriders sliver will often target a foe at the back of the group and skip over ones in the front who are much closer.

MagmaRed · Oct 06, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Usually targets the closest monster to you first. That is why most farming builds that used it used Shadow Form to make sure all damage was negated, and a shadow step to get next to a boss FAST. As soon as you would shadow step to a boss, you would activate Sliver Armor so it would target the boss.

Destro Maniak · Oct 06, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Usually targets the closest monster to you first. That is why most farming builds that used it used Shadow Form to make sure all damage was negated, and a shadow step to get next to a boss FAST. As soon as you would shadow step to a boss, you would activate Sliver Armor so it would target the boss.

this kinda works
ty

Shursh · Oct 06, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

i was under the impression that it targets the whatever mob has the highest hp bar -- for example in the UW, when only graspings are around it will target one randomly, but when i aggro an aatxe and it comes in range, sliver armor will switch targets to the aatxe

of course i could be completely wrong and jumping to conclusions

Striken7 · Oct 06, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Another thing to note is that it will remember previous targets.

For example, if you get a monster down to 1/5-1/4 health and it manages to run away, SA will begin damaging the next target (however this is determined). If that first monster returns within range however, the damage will immediately shift back to it regardless of the health of the current target.

geforce · Oct 06, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

i do belive if u wand the boss whenever u can ( worked for me ) then it targets it first or second .

Shadow-Hunter · Oct 06, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Well, i tried to farm some grawl for the fan thingy in talus clute. And trying to kill the casters was pretty much impossible. On time I even sstepped to a caster, Sliver armor damaged it, but soon as a melee grawl came in range sliver changed target.
And in TopK UW it seem to target like: Dyder -> mesmer mob thingys -> melee guys. Even if the dyder isnt even in melee range it sliver armor trend to target it.

So the targetting is pretty crappy imo. Tryed to solo farm some greens in SF once, but didnt go very well because it was so extreemly hard to get sliver to target the bosses.

Zapper901 · Oct 06, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

If you time it where the boss is just coming into Sliver Armor range as you activate it, it will target the boss consistently. You just have to get the timing down, and for the raptor build that I use, I do. It targets the boss almost all the time.

hawaiian143 · Oct 06, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Zapper901

If you time it where the boss is just coming into Sliver Armor range as you activate it, it will target the boss consistently. You just have to get the timing down, and for the raptor build that I use, I do. It targets the boss almost all the time.

I agree, i do the same thing with the the broodmother and other bosses and they're usually the first to die, and i found that timing is the critical part cuz if u dont time it right ur screwed lol

Luminarus · Oct 07, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

It doesnt always target the same monster, as there are times I have found when it has been pounding one dood, then another dood comes in and it kills him instead.

On the other hand, it usually stays, especially with boss farming. Its not entirely random but its close enough to it.

tmakinen · Oct 07, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02

My current working hypothesis is that Sliver Armor works its way through the aggro list, starting on top. Foes with which you're currently interacting are represented by the computer as some sort of list, and every time when SA triggers the program traverses the list from top towards bottom and inflicts the damage to the first foe that is within the radius of the effect. The list is only reshuffled when new mobs engage you during a fight and this explains both the persistence (monsters that flee because of getting hit by SA will get hit again as soon as they return to the fight) and sudden retargeting when new mobs join the fight.

The conventional wisdom that SA targets the foe with most health may just be an artifact of bigger monsters (especially bosses) being always at the top of the list of their respective mob. The order in which mob lists are merged seems to be unpredictable but when you have aggroed several mobs before activating SA it will chew through the monsters one mob at a time. This can be seen with the raptor farm. Once you have all the 33 nestlings and Broodmother trained on you and hit sliver, Broodmother may be targeted practically anywhere between first and about 2/3 through the nestlings. Getting targeted first corresponds to Broodmother's own mob having ended as the first mob on the aggro list, and getting targeted after about 20 nestlings have already been killed corresponds to Broodmother's mob being the last mob on the list and you having to power through all other mobs before getting to Broodmother. Also, if you happen to fumble and die in the middle of a run and return to finish it you'll notice that some mobs were completely eliminated and others weren't affected at all.

DarkGanni · Oct 07, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

When doing chamber part in UW from the mob of Aatxes and graspings its always the Aatxes that are targeted first, Not sure if the size of the creature matters, same thing for bosses. Sometimes in UW Sliver hits the keeper of souls with 4 Vengeful aatxes aggroed. As already been said, its not completely random.

- Ganni

BrettM · Oct 07, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

I farm the mobs of undead behind Oink's house in Gates of Kryta frequently. I've noticed that Sliver Armor will always target Hellhounds in preference to Grasping Ghouls and Zombie Warlocks in preference to Hellhounds. The interesting thing is that the preferred targets take more damage than the secondary targets: -31 for Zombies, -25 for Hellhounds, and -22 for Grasping Ghouls. I was wondering if SA was somehow choosing the most vulnerable targets to take out first.

MagmaRed · Oct 07, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by BrettM

I farm the mobs of undead behind Oink's house in Gates of Kryta frequently. I've noticed that Sliver Armor will always target Hellhounds in preference to Grasping Ghouls and Zombie Warlocks in preference to Hellhounds. The interesting thing is that the preferred targets take more damage than the secondary targets: -31 for Zombies, -25 for Hellhounds, and -22 for Grasping Ghouls. I was wondering if SA was somehow choosing the most vulnerable targets to take out first.

Damage has several factors that contribute to it. Armor of the monster, level of the monster, resistance of the monster, etc. The Grasps and Hellhounds are both warriors, but they are different levels, and may have different armor/resistances.

Oct 06, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54	#1
Destro Maniak Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: A/	Targeting Sliver Armor As you can guess from the topic how can I make the sliver armor target the boss Because on some bosses its nearly impossible to target the boss so pls help ty

Oct 06, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#2
Tom Swift Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2007	No way to do it, I'm afraid. Sliver armor is pretty much random. It's not completely random as it will usually target one kind of enemy before another. In ToPK, for instance, it will always take out the scythes in a mixed group before targeting the grasps. (On the other hand in a group of grasps and worms it's an even bet which will be hit first) But other than knowing which kind of enemy it will more likely hit first, there is no way to predict which specific foe it will target. Edit: hp can't be the key since the broodmother would always be hit before the nestlings and anyone who does raptor runs knows she only gets hit first about 1/2 the time. I doubt wanding does it either as I always attack the broodmother with my wand or staff on raptor runs and she is still the target of sliver only about half the time. Closeness doesn't seem to be the key either since in groups of dryders and dreamriders sliver will often target a foe at the back of the group and skip over ones in the front who are much closer. Last edited by Tom Swift; Oct 06, 2008 at 06:26 PM // 18:26..

Oct 07, 2008, 05:02 AM // 05:02	#12
tmakinen Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: www.mybearfriend.net Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: E/	My current working hypothesis is that Sliver Armor works its way through the aggro list, starting on top. Foes with which you're currently interacting are represented by the computer as some sort of list, and every time when SA triggers the program traverses the list from top towards bottom and inflicts the damage to the first foe that is within the radius of the effect. The list is only reshuffled when new mobs engage you during a fight and this explains both the persistence (monsters that flee because of getting hit by SA will get hit again as soon as they return to the fight) and sudden retargeting when new mobs join the fight. The conventional wisdom that SA targets the foe with most health may just be an artifact of bigger monsters (especially bosses) being always at the top of the list of their respective mob. The order in which mob lists are merged seems to be unpredictable but when you have aggroed several mobs before activating SA it will chew through the monsters one mob at a time. This can be seen with the raptor farm. Once you have all the 33 nestlings and Broodmother trained on you and hit sliver, Broodmother may be targeted practically anywhere between first and about 2/3 through the nestlings. Getting targeted first corresponds to Broodmother's own mob having ended as the first mob on the aggro list, and getting targeted after about 20 nestlings have already been killed corresponds to Broodmother's mob being the last mob on the list and you having to power through all other mobs before getting to Broodmother. Also, if you happen to fumble and die in the middle of a run and return to finish it you'll notice that some mobs were completely eliminated and others weren't affected at all. Last edited by tmakinen; Oct 07, 2008 at 05:05 AM // 05:05..

Oct 06, 2008, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#3
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Usually targets the closest monster to you first. That is why most farming builds that used it used Shadow Form to make sure all damage was negated, and a shadow step to get next to a boss FAST. As soon as you would shadow step to a boss, you would activate Sliver Armor so it would target the boss.

Oct 06, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#5
Shursh Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2008 Guild: KaVa Profession: N/	i was under the impression that it targets the whatever mob has the highest hp bar -- for example in the UW, when only graspings are around it will target one randomly, but when i aggro an aatxe and it comes in range, sliver armor will switch targets to the aatxe of course i could be completely wrong and jumping to conclusions

Oct 06, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#6
Striken7 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: The District Nudists Profession: R/	Another thing to note is that it will remember previous targets. For example, if you get a monster down to 1/5-1/4 health and it manages to run away, SA will begin damaging the next target (however this is determined). If that first monster returns within range however, the damage will immediately shift back to it regardless of the health of the current target.

Oct 06, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09	#7
geforce Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2007	i do belive if u wand the boss whenever u can ( worked for me ) then it targets it first or second .

Oct 06, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35	#8
Shadow-Hunter Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: [HH] [Hax] Profession: Mo/	Well, i tried to farm some grawl for the fan thingy in talus clute. And trying to kill the casters was pretty much impossible. On time I even sstepped to a caster, Sliver armor damaged it, but soon as a melee grawl came in range sliver changed target. And in TopK UW it seem to target like: Dyder -> mesmer mob thingys -> melee guys. Even if the dyder isnt even in melee range it sliver armor trend to target it. So the targetting is pretty crappy imo. Tryed to solo farm some greens in SF once, but didnt go very well because it was so extreemly hard to get sliver to target the bosses.

Oct 06, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41	#9
Zapper901 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Fire and [ICE] Profession: W/	If you time it where the boss is just coming into Sliver Armor range as you activate it, it will target the boss consistently. You just have to get the timing down, and for the raptor build that I use, I do. It targets the boss almost all the time.

Oct 07, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03	#11
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	It doesnt always target the same monster, as there are times I have found when it has been pounding one dood, then another dood comes in and it kills him instead. On the other hand, it usually stays, especially with boss farming. Its not entirely random but its close enough to it.

Oct 07, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26	#13
DarkGanni Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Malta Guild: [CuTe] Profession: E/	When doing chamber part in UW from the mob of Aatxes and graspings its always the Aatxes that are targeted first, Not sure if the size of the creature matters, same thing for bosses. Sometimes in UW Sliver hits the keeper of souls with 4 Vengeful aatxes aggroed. As already been said, its not completely random. - Ganni

Oct 07, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41	#14
BrettM Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2008 Guild: Fuzzy Physics Institute Profession: E/	I farm the mobs of undead behind Oink's house in Gates of Kryta frequently. I've noticed that Sliver Armor will always target Hellhounds in preference to Grasping Ghouls and Zombie Warlocks in preference to Hellhounds. The interesting thing is that the preferred targets take more damage than the secondary targets: -31 for Zombies, -25 for Hellhounds, and -22 for Grasping Ghouls. I was wondering if SA was somehow choosing the most vulnerable targets to take out first.